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Kate Green outlines Labour's plans for ESA
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 11:29 am    Post subject: Kate Green outlines Labour's plans for ESA  Reply with quote

Kate Green - Disability Spokesperson for Labour says

"We are going to make sure that the work capability assessment is returned to its original purpose of being the first step in the process to diagnose and identify what sort of support somebody who could work at some point would need to have in order to enable them work, and so we will give every single person who goes through the work capability assessment, at the end of their assessment, a statement of how their condition or impairment impacts on their capacity to work. That will refocus the assessment into the right mindset, how to situate (? unclear) your capability for work. It will also, we hope, empower the individual, because that statement will be yours to take to your employer or your work programme provider or training provider and say ‘this is is what I have to contend with. How can we work together to build the support that I need.'”

Please tell us what you think about this proposal and then we will invite Kate Green to reply.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2015 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

in brief I'd say what a load of bollocks. How is having a bit of paper saying what your needs are going to get you a job. Employers are likely to read it and panic for one thing. More utter crap from them
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice to see you ignore those least likely to be able to return to work. I would also like the word diagnose removed as this makes it sound like the WCA is there to diagnose the condition (semantics I know but may be confusing to some). Having a medically trained assessor perform the tests may make it hard for them to see what limitations to work there are. To produce this ideally you'd need each assessment carried out by an Occ Health specialist.
I am also concerned that you are putting the onus on the individual to show report to WPP,WTP,employer. For those with cognition or mental health problems this MAY provide a barrier (equal to the barriers place on them in the current system). We are supposed to live in a digital age surely this could be sent electronically to appropriate state departments (including those at arms length). By all means a hard copy for employers etc.
I would like the state say to it's victims 'How can we work together to build the support you need?' (seeing as not all of these victims are part of support groups (ie DEEPAC,MIND, etc) it would ideally be an open consultation)
You will find many want a moratorium on the WCA, a full investigation into whether ministers being aware of the devastation they were inflicting to a disadvantaged group are guilty of disability discrimination with potential legal action if they were.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:50 am    Post subject: Kate Green - Disability Spokesperson for Labour says Reply with quote

Yet another Politician unable to understand that not all disabled CAN work; what about a statement saying she is Unfit for her Job?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 7:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have serious COPD, Fibro,degenerative discs which has left me double incontinent,arthritis,hyermobility.and depression. I suffer from fibro fog,24 hrs pain, I use a sticks and wheel chair which is not a manual one, I have bed sides to help pull myself up on a good day, and special chairs and bathroom equipment. My meds are morpnine, ventolin, + 4 other inhalers, citalopram, a nebuliser, tramadol, amatriptyline, I wonder if Kate could tell me if I went armed with a piece of paper to a prospective employer detailing my needs,does she think I would be more likely to get employment with it?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Disabled people have been vilified and used as scapegoats as a result of the current economic climate.  We are classed as scroungers and I have personally been subjected to more discrimination and abuse as a wheelchair user since the economic crisis.  I cannot work in a job and no employer would employ me. Employers have businesses to run and money to make and this, compounded by the current economic crisis,  the vilification of disabled people there is not going to be a realistic prospect of employment.  I do however contribute to society.  I run a free legal advice clinic one morning a week and, in the past year,  have not only saved people thousands in legal fees but also obtained in excess of 300,000 in awards for my clients.  This money goes back in to the economy.  Disabled people often contribute more than they take out but are not necessarily paid for their work because it is just not possible.  It is tiring fighting for any support.  I have represented many disabled people throughout the benefit appeal process and not one of them is a malingerer or scrounger. Everyone of them deserved their benefit and were unjustly refused by the DWP. I have a 100% success rate at appeal and I think of all the money wasted by the DWP not doing their job properly.  More importantly,  I have seen clients on the verge of suicide choosing between eating or heating because they have been assessed as fit for work and have been sanctioned. The benefits they have lost has meant that they cannot purchase expensive additional disability equipment (I.e. incontinence pants, specialised equipment) due to being wrongly put on JSA or sanctioned because they can't attend work. I had one client who was told in writing they had been refused ESA because their genetic condition was their fault!  Upon complaining about this disgraceful decision an apology was issued for their error. (Can you imagine being told that a genetic condition is the fault of the individual?) The best thing Labour can do is improve the positivity of disabled people and the contribution they make to society and improve employment prospects for those who can work rather than bullying those who are the most vulnerable in society.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only my specialist can determine my current and expected future levels of health. Many of us have complex conditions that fluctuate on a daily basis controlled by opiates and strong pain killers. I myself take neurol-suppressants which tell my brain to ignore the pain signals . This has effected my speech,memory (short and long term) and cognitive function. I am not the same person with a great career, who was running a successful business with forty staff. If you still expect a "health professional" to condense all this down onto a sheet of paper your as deluded as Duncan Smith. When I needed the support to address my condition it was fobbed by my GP and as a result irreversible nerve damage from emergency surgery was the result. My career and health was robbed from me and I am still expected to perform for a health professional to justify my conditions.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And those who cannot work?  Again, you ignore everything about the disabled and long-term sick!
The WCA should be SCRAPPED and the patient's own GP/Consultant/Mental Health Team should be the ones to give the evidence to the DWP.
Whilst you are insisting on keeping the WCA and the likes of Maximus etc then I will NOT vote for Labour.
Are you still going to go with PIP?  If so that is doubly cruel.
Why don't you just say that you are continuing to do what the un-elected Tory led Coalition have been doing for the last 4+ years?  Or are you going to be worse than them?
For all the time that the coalition has been in it has destroyed lives, killed people with their policies for the disabled/long term sick, used the poor and the vulnerable to pay for their mistakes and for the bankers mistakes.
Are you going to be for the poor/disabled/long-term sick/elderly/unemployed etc or are you going to be for the rich - yourselves?
Come back to me when you get your priorities in order!
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mo asked us to post this -

Good old Kate Green - still missing the point.
More beurocracy.
So, the claimant will have a piece of paper to offer future employers who
see no reason to employ them with their limitations and health needs when
there is a vast selection of non disabled people in a queue for the work that
will offer low wages for a zero hour contract....
No mention of the death and destruction caused by using a bogus assessment.
Will this really help Labour to win at the next election??

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 10:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

John James McArdle from Black triangle asked us to post this

Green takes the cynical abuse of the language of empowerment to a whole new level. It's about CUTS - and NOTHING ELSE!

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